Ενδεχομενο δημιουργιας Αιγειακης Συνομοσπονδιας με λογικη Βορειου Κορεας

[Εθνικοκοινωνιστης]

πως θα σας φαινονταν το ενδεχομενο πιθανης δημιουργιας ελληνοτουρκικης συνομοσπονδιας που θα λειτουργει κατω απο την επικουρια της Κινας και με τα πυρηνικα (της τουρκιας) στραμμενα στην δυση με καθεστως εθνικοκοινωνιστικο?

[Λαχουρένιος]

Επιστημονικη φαντασια

[Εθνικοκοινωνιστης]

Επιστημονικη φαντασια

Ερχομαστε

[Διάδοχος]

πως θα σας φαινονταν το ενδεχομενο πιθανης δημιουργιας ελληνοτουρκικης συνομοσπονδιας που θα λειτουργει κατω απο την επικουρια της Κινας και με τα πυρηνικα (της τουρκιας) στραμμενα στην δυση με καθεστως εθνικοκοινωνιστικο?

Πολύ καλή ιδέα.

[Διάδοχος]

Hellenoturkism is a political concept that encompasses two things: a) a fact of civilization i.e. the co-habitation and interdependence, since the 11th century A.D., of the Greek and Turkish peoples and cultures, and b) a political ideology based on the above civilizational phenomenon, which aims at establishing a Greek-Turkish political ensemble.

From Empire to Confederation

From the time of the Persian Empire and Alexander the Great, to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in the 20th century A.D., the Intermediate Region has been covered by an ecumenical empire that had common civilizational characteristics, despite the fact that it passed into the hands successively from the Persians, to the Greeks, to the Romans, the Byzantines and, finally, the Ottomans. This common civilization of the Intermediate Region, called since the time of Jesus, Roman, bore the characteristics, since the 11th century A.D. and for the last thousand years, of Greek and Turkish cultures. The Ecumenicity of the Empire was hellenoturkism.

In the 15th century, a Greek philosopher, George of Trebizond, 1395-1484 (the date of his death varies from 1472 to 1486 depending on the sources), who aimed at synthesizing Turkish Islam in the form of Bektashism and Christianity in the form of Greek Orthodoxy, is considered by supporters of hellenoturkism as the founder of their ideology. He addressed the new ruler of the Empire, Mehmed the Conqueror, in a letter of 1466, as the legal emperor of the Romans and of the whole Universe and also as the common emperor of both Greeks and Turks.

In the 19th century, after the founding of the Kingdom of Greece in 1832, the majority of the Greek population remained in the Ottoman Empire and were divided between two trends: the nationalists of the so-called Western Party and the federalists of the so-called Eastern Party. The latter wanted to stay in the Empire and transform it into a purely Greek-Turkish Empire. The two trends also developed in the State of Greece with the most vocal defender of a Greek-Turkish common State being the member of Parliament of Greece, in 1864, Georgios Typaldos-Iakovatos.

n the 20th century, the ideology of hellenoturkism was revived by the historian Dimitri Kitsikis who since 1966, in his numerous books, articles and conference papers, as well as with his political activity in both Greece and Turkey, as adviser of Greek President Konstantinos Karamanlis the Elder and Turkish President Turgut Özal, has striven to establish the basis of a Turkish-Greek Confederation.

Eleftherios Venizelos on the 10th of May 1933, in a meeting of the Committee of the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs, declared and repeated three times the following: "One day will come when we will create with Turkey an Eastern Federation". Venizelos' close collaborator, Leon Makkas, in his Souvenirs, referring to his meetings with the founder of Turkey, Kemal Atatürk, wrote: "Kemal was the apostle of a large Greco-Turkish Empire in the East, a double-headed Empire, with two administrative capitals and one spiritual capital, the Augustian city which was successively called Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul and which will always remain, by its very geographical position, the Queen City of a whole Eastern world. I did not anymore have in front me the Peter the Great of Turkey, but rather a Victor Hugo chanting his Orientales".

A bilingual "Greek Turkish Confederation" (East Mediterranean Confederation) between Greece, Turkey and Cyprus (with national capitals in Athens, Ankara and Nicosia, and Confederation parliament in Istanbul) would (to an extent) be a reincarnation of the Byzantine/Ottoman Empires; thus filling the political, cultural and economic vacuum that's left behind by the absence of these two historic superpowers in the East Mediterranean region. It would have the largest economy and military in the area covering the Balkans, the Middle East, the East Mediterranean, the Caucasus and Central Asia, and become one of the key global great powers due to its geographic location. During the 2010-2015 Greek financial crisis, the Greek-Turkish Confederation idea was brought back with renewed insistence in Turkey as well as in Greece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenoturkism

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Έθνι κουφάλα, νηματάρα άνοιξες

[Διάδοχος]

Υπάρχει και σχετικό διαδικτυακό δημοψήφισμα

Form the Federation of Turkey and Greece / Turkiye ve Yunanistan Federasyonu'nu kurun



Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Tsipras

Please create the Federation of Turkey and Greece

Mr. Erdogan, your expansionist policy in Iraq and Syria did not exactly work, this is your chance to be the Sultan you always aspired to be while expanding to a region which actually does not have ISIS in it. Plus, with a 25% GDP decline, Greece is a bargain right now.

Mr. Tsipras, EU is giving you too much of a hard time. Austerity, cutting pensions, the random EU Parliamentarian screaming at you in the parliament. None of this is your fault. You were probably 5 years old when Greek politicians started acting like the drunk young kid who uncontrollably throws the cash he borrowed from his daddy at the belly dancer. With the Federation, Greece can maintain its independence, stop worrying about the debt and say screw you to EU. I also heard that you have trouble collecting taxes effectively. In the federation, all you need to do is to publish a few anti-Erdogan articles in Greek newspapers and he will ensure to squeeze every single tax dollar out of Greece.

· Federation of Turkey and Greece will be a trillion dollar economy with a reasonable debt / GDP ratio

· Combined, the Federation will be the 3rd largest tourist destination in the world.

· Cyprus problem, solved! No more dog fights over the Aegean sea.

· Turkey is becoming increasingly Islamist and can actually use the 11 million non-Muslims to balance the scale right about now

· Greeks will actually get to experience a somewhat industrial economy that does not solely rely on tourism.

· Greeks suck at offence, Turks suck at defense, combined, we can have a world class football team

· No more need to fight over who baklava, yoghurt, coffee etc.

· Turks can freely reside in Thessaloniki (Selanik) and the Greek Islands; Greeks can freely reside in Istanbul (Constantinople) and Izmir (Smyrna)

· Greece has a marginalized Muslim immigrant population; not to worry, when they meet the actual fanatics in Turkey, those immigrants will be staunch defenders of secular values

· "Democracy" was invented in Athens in 500BC, “advanced democracy” was invented in Ankara by Erdogan in 2000AC, imagine what we can accomplish together

Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Tsipras:

Don’t overthink it, time is now, just do it. Otherwise, both countries will be exactly where they currently are 100 years from now. (ie. Ocean of mediocracy and idiocy). Do it, take the risk and we should either rise together and create something meaningful or go full on bankrupt , shithole, ISIS together!

https://www.change.org/p/mr-tayyip-erdo ... c448d2533f

Η Αιγειακή Συνομοσπονδία θα είναι υπερδύναμη που θα μοιράζει καρπαζιές σε όλα τα επίπεδα.

[Εθνικοκοινωνιστης]

Hellenoturkism is a political concept that encompasses two things: a) a fact of civilization i.e. the co-habitation and interdependence, since the 11th century A.D., of the Greek and Turkish peoples and cultures, and b) a political ideology based on the above civilizational phenomenon, which aims at establishing a Greek-Turkish political ensemble.

From Empire to Confederation

From the time of the Persian Empire and Alexander the Great, to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in the 20th century A.D., the Intermediate Region has been covered by an ecumenical empire that had common civilizational characteristics, despite the fact that it passed into the hands successively from the Persians, to the Greeks, to the Romans, the Byzantines and, finally, the Ottomans. This common civilization of the Intermediate Region, called since the time of Jesus, Roman, bore the characteristics, since the 11th century A.D. and for the last thousand years, of Greek and Turkish cultures. The Ecumenicity of the Empire was hellenoturkism.

In the 15th century, a Greek philosopher, George of Trebizond, 1395-1484 (the date of his death varies from 1472 to 1486 depending on the sources), who aimed at synthesizing Turkish Islam in the form of Bektashism and Christianity in the form of Greek Orthodoxy, is considered by supporters of hellenoturkism as the founder of their ideology. He addressed the new ruler of the Empire, Mehmed the Conqueror, in a letter of 1466, as the legal emperor of the Romans and of the whole Universe and also as the common emperor of both Greeks and Turks.

In the 19th century, after the founding of the Kingdom of Greece in 1832, the majority of the Greek population remained in the Ottoman Empire and were divided between two trends: the nationalists of the so-called Western Party and the federalists of the so-called Eastern Party. The latter wanted to stay in the Empire and transform it into a purely Greek-Turkish Empire. The two trends also developed in the State of Greece with the most vocal defender of a Greek-Turkish common State being the member of Parliament of Greece, in 1864, Georgios Typaldos-Iakovatos.

n the 20th century, the ideology of hellenoturkism was revived by the historian Dimitri Kitsikis who since 1966, in his numerous books, articles and conference papers, as well as with his political activity in both Greece and Turkey, as adviser of Greek President Konstantinos Karamanlis the Elder and Turkish President Turgut Özal, has striven to establish the basis of a Turkish-Greek Confederation.

Eleftherios Venizelos on the 10th of May 1933, in a meeting of the Committee of the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs, declared and repeated three times the following: "One day will come when we will create with Turkey an Eastern Federation". Venizelos' close collaborator, Leon Makkas, in his Souvenirs, referring to his meetings with the founder of Turkey, Kemal Atatürk, wrote: "Kemal was the apostle of a large Greco-Turkish Empire in the East, a double-headed Empire, with two administrative capitals and one spiritual capital, the Augustian city which was successively called Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul and which will always remain, by its very geographical position, the Queen City of a whole Eastern world. I did not anymore have in front me the Peter the Great of Turkey, but rather a Victor Hugo chanting his Orientales".

A bilingual "Greek Turkish Confederation" (East Mediterranean Confederation) between Greece, Turkey and Cyprus (with national capitals in Athens, Ankara and Nicosia, and Confederation parliament in Istanbul) would (to an extent) be a reincarnation of the Byzantine/Ottoman Empires; thus filling the political, cultural and economic vacuum that's left behind by the absence of these two historic superpowers in the East Mediterranean region. It would have the largest economy and military in the area covering the Balkans, the Middle East, the East Mediterranean, the Caucasus and Central Asia, and become one of the key global great powers due to its geographic location. During the 2010-2015 Greek financial crisis, the Greek-Turkish Confederation idea was brought back with renewed insistence in Turkey as well as in Greece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenoturkism

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Έθνι κουφάλα, νηματάρα άνοιξες

διαβαζα Ιφικρατη Αμυρα,Κιτσικη και Δραγουμη αυτες τις εβδομαδες για αυτο ελειπα

και voualah λογω των διαφορων ερεθισματων

[Εθνικοκοινωνιστης]

σημαια της Αιγειακης συνομοσπονδιας



με κιτρινο αστερι ομως ε

οι συμβολισμοι των χρωματων χαρακτηριστικοι,royal purple indigo και χρυσος αστηρ

[Διάδοχος]

διαβαζα Ιφικρατη Αμυρα,Κιτσικη και Δραγουμη αυτες τις εβδομαδες για αυτο ελειπα

Εύγε Έθνι. Γενικά το γνωρίζω το θέμα, θα συγκεντρωθώ κι εγώ στις λεπτομέρειες. Νομίζω είναι η πολιτική πρόταση που υψώνεται πάνω απο τα τετριμμένα που είναι καταδικασμένα στην αποτυχία.

Δεν πρόκειται για κάτι καινούργιο, αλλά για πρόταση που υπάρχει σταθερά απο τον 15ο αιώνα.

Eastern Party is a concept that has long been used by mainstream historians to define the reaction of a section of the population in the Third World countries against Westernization and the import of Western values in their societies. Rather than a specific political party, the term refers to a current in the public opinion of the said countries opposed to a "Western Party" of modernizers, who tend to accept Westernization as an inevitable phenomenon, which finally benefits the overall progress of Third World societies. Particularly in the History of Greece and Byzantium, this concept has been largely used by noted historians like Arnold J. Toynbee, Leften Stavrianos, Alexander Vasiliev and Nicolae Iorga, at the beginning of the 20th century and later by Dimitri Kitsikis.

Greece as Third World country

American historian Stavrianos was a follower of British historian Toynbee and wrote in 1972 that "the first teaching given to us by History is that Greece is an underdeveloped country and therefore is part of the Third World". Toynbee, who, in 1922, had published a famous book on the Greek-Turkish War of 1919-1922, he also had placed Greece in the Third World. Furthermore, he considered Greece a victim of the West and condemned Western civilization as a failed civilization.

Eastern Party in China and Greece

The concept of an Eastern Party, as a reaction to the West, existed in China in the 17th century. In the last days of the Ming dynasty, the Chinese people were divided, like the Byzantines some centuries earlier, between supporters of Western Roman Catholics and supporters of the Manchus and Turkic Mongols. The first were collaborating with the "Franks", the second with the "Tatars". Finally, the Eastern Party prevailed, and Beijing gave itself to the Tatars. Supported by the Jesuits, the Chinese empress, the wife of the last Ming, was baptized as a Roman Catholic under the name Anne, and the heir of the throne, as a Catholic, had taken the name Constantine. The two queen mothers and many members of the royal court were also baptized as Roman Catholics.

Helen, a queen mother, sent, in 1650, a message to Pope Innocent X(1644-1655) and to the general of the Jesuits to beg for at least spiritual help for the rescue of the Ming dynasty. Finally, pro-Latin emperor Yongli was defeated. He fled to Burma and died there.

Modern history

From the first conquest of Constantinople by the Crusaders in 1204 to the second conquest by the Ottomans in 1453, the Byzantine Empire raged the struggle between the two parties, the pro-Latin Western Party and the pro-Turkish Eastern Party. Final victory came to the latter.

By Hellenoturkism, in the 19th century, the opposition of the Eastern Party to the newly-borm Greek nation state of 1821 continued. At the eve of the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, three friends (writer Pericles Giannopoulos, diplomat Ion Dragoumis and officer Athanase Souliotis-Nikolaidis) struggled in their writings and political action to defeat the so-called "Frankish fanatics".

Today

Historian Dimitri Kitsikis, as a follower of Dragoumis, has relentlessly supported in all his writings, after the Second World War, the ideology of the Eastern Party, along with a growing number of Greek scholars who followed in his path as John S. Romanides George Metallinos, Kostas Sardelis, and Christos Yannaras. Ioannis Kapodistrias, the first head of state of independent Greece, in 1828 to 1831, who was assassinated by the pro-Westerners, is considered the most famous leader of the Eastern Party in the history of Modern Greece.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Party

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