Προέλλην έγραψε:Τλαξκαλτέκος έγραψε:Καλά και οι Σομαλοί της ομάδας Ε πότε ήρθαν στην Ελλάδα ;.gif "Laughing")
Νιαί, ψέματα, δεν ήρθαν ποτέ, οι ανθέλληνες ρίχνουν σικέ dna στους δοκιμαστικούς σωλήνες.
Νηματάρα. Θα προσπαθήσω να συνεισφέρω στην απόκάλυψη της αλήθειας
Λαχουρένιος έγραψε:Τλαξκαλτέκος έγραψε:Έχουμε τους παλαιολιθικούς κατοίκους ( ; - 7000/6800 Π.Χ.) που ήρθαν απ' την Αφρική μέσω Ανατολίας.
Καλα τα λεει ο Διαδοχος δηλαδη
Τλαξκαλτέκος έγραψε:Λαχουρένιος έγραψε:
Καλα τα λεει ο Διαδοχος δηλαδη
Καλά τα λέει. Όλοι οι Homo sapiens έχουμε αφρικανική απώτερη καταγωγή. Το ζήτημα είναι πότε ήρθαν οι "Σομαλοαιγύπτιοι" στην Ελλάδα. Κατά τη παλαιολιθική εποχή όπως πιστεύω ή κατά το 2000 - 1000 π.Χ. όπως φαντάζομαι ότι θα πεί ο Admin ;
Προέλλην έγραψε:Τλαξκαλτέκος έγραψε:Καλά τα λέει. Όλοι οι Homo sapiens έχουμε αφρικανική απώτερη καταγωγή. Το ζήτημα είναι πότε ήρθαν οι "Σομαλοαιγύπτιοι" στην Ελλάδα. Κατά τη παλαιολιθική εποχή όπως πιστεύω ή κατά το 2000 - 1000 π.Χ. όπως φαντάζομαι ότι θα πεί ο Admin ;
Kάποιοι όμως έχουν παράξενα παραπάνω:
Προέλλην έγραψε:Δεν εικάζω, δεδομένα πράγματα είναι. Οι Ευρωπαίοι δλδ δεν κατάγονται απο την Αφρική; Γιατί δεν έχουν ίδια haplogroups με τους σημερινούς βορειοαφρικανούς και αραβανατολίτες;
Εγώ σου έδωσα την γλώσσα και εσύ τον πολιτισμό. 
Γι' αυτό Μινωίτες ( Προέλληνες ) και Μυκηναίοι ( Έλληνες) δεν διέφεραν και πολύ μεταξύ τους. 
E-M215, also known as E1b1b and formerly E3b, is a major human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a division of the macro-haplogroup E-M96, which is defined by the single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation M215.
The origins of E-M215 were dated by Cruciani in 2007 to about 22,400 years ago in the Horn of Africa. E-M35 was dated by Batini in 2015 to between 15,400 and 20,500 years ago. In June 2015, Trombetta et al. reported a previously unappreciated large difference in the age between haplogroup E-M215 (38.6 kya; 95% CI 31.4–45.9 kya) and its sub-haplogroup E-M35 (25.0 kya; 95% CI 20.0–30.0 kya) and estimated its origin to be in Northeast Africa.
All major sub-branches of E-M35 are thought to have originated in the same general area as the parent clade: in North Africa, the Horn of Africa, or nearby areas of the Near East. Some branches of E-M35 are assumed to have left Africa thousands of years ago, whereas others may have arrived from the Near East. For example, Underhill (2002) associates the spread of the haplogroup with the Neolithic Revolution, believing that the structure and regional pattern of E-M35 subclades potentially give "reagents with which to infer specific episodes of population histories associated with the Neolithic agricultural expansion". Battaglia et al. (2007) also estimate that E-M78 (called E1b1b1a1 in that paper) has been in Europe longer than 10,000 years. Accordingly, human remains excavated in a Spanish funeral cave dating from approximately 7,000 years ago were shown to be in this haplogroup. Two more E-M78 have been found in the Neolithic Sopot and Lengyel cultures too.
Concerning E-M35 in Europe within this scheme, Underhill & Kivisild (2007) have remarked that E-M215 seems to represent a late-Pleistocene migration from North Africa to Europe over the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt. While this proposal remains uncontested, it has more recently been proposed by Trombetta et al. (2011) that there is also evidence for additional migration of E-M215 carrying men directly from North Africa to southwestern Europe, via a maritime route.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M215_(Y-DNA)
Geographic distribution of haplogroup E1b1b in Europe, the Near East and North Africa
Outside Europe, E1b1b is found at high frequencies in Morocco (over 80%), Somalia (80%), Ethiopia (40% to 80%), Tunisia (70%), Algeria (60%), Egypt (40%), Jordan (25%), Palestine (20%), and Lebanon (17.5%). On the European continent it has the highest concentration in Kosovo (over 45%), Albania and Montenegro (both 27%), Bulgaria (23%), Macedonia and Greece (both 21%), Cyprus (20%), Sicily (20%), South Italy (18.5%), Serbia (18%) and Romania (15%). Ashkenazi Jews have approximately 20% of E1b1b, which falls mostly under specific clades of E-M123.
The trees on this page represents the phylogeny of European and Middle Eastern Y-chromosomal DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups. A Y-DNA haplogroup is a group of men sharing the same series of mutations on their Y chromosome, which they inherited from a long line of common paternal ancestors. A few new mutations, known as SNP's, happen every generation, and are passed unchanged to the next generation. Classifying the accumulated SNPs generation by generation make it possible to retrace the genealogical tree of humanity with great accuracy, to detect patterns in the distribution of shared historical lineages and to retrace historical migrations of male lineages.
Most top-level haplogroups (e.g. E1b1b, I1, J2, R1b) are tens of thousands of years old, typically going back to the Mesolithic or Paleolithic period. The main clades within a haplogroup often match large ethnico-linguistic groups, which are usually displayed with a defining SNP (e.g. E-V13, G2a-L497, J1-P58, R1a-M458, R1b-U106). These main clades were for the most part formed during the Neolithic or Bronze Age. Deep clades, also shown with a defining SNP (e.g. I1-L1302, I2a2a-Z78, J1-ZS227, N1c-M2783, R1b-M222), represent younger lineages, which arose during the Iron Age, Middle Ages or later. The deeper the subclade the more recent the shared ancestor. Classifying SNP's into a genealogical order is known as phylogenentics.
https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phylog ... troduction
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... -DNA.shtml
Προέλλην έγραψε:Geographic distribution of haplogroup E1b1b in Europe, the Near East and North Africa
Outside Europe, E1b1b is found at high frequencies in Morocco (over 80%), Somalia (80%), Ethiopia (40% to 80%), Tunisia (70%), Algeria (60%), Egypt (40%), Jordan (25%), Palestine (20%), and Lebanon (17.5%). On the European continent it has the highest concentration in Kosovo (over 45%), Albania and Montenegro (both 27%), Bulgaria (23%), Macedonia and Greece (both 21%), Cyprus (20%), Sicily (20%), South Italy (18.5%), Serbia (18%) and Romania (15%). Ashkenazi Jews have approximately 20% of E1b1b, which falls mostly under specific clades of E-M123.
Πάμε τώρα και στην φυλογενετική ανάλυσηThe trees on this page represents the phylogeny of European and Middle Eastern Y-chromosomal DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups. A Y-DNA haplogroup is a group of men sharing the same series of mutations on their Y chromosome, which they inherited from a long line of common paternal ancestors. A few new mutations, known as SNP's, happen every generation, and are passed unchanged to the next generation. Classifying the accumulated SNPs generation by generation make it possible to retrace the genealogical tree of humanity with great accuracy, to detect patterns in the distribution of shared historical lineages and to retrace historical migrations of male lineages.
Most top-level haplogroups (e.g. E1b1b, I1, J2, R1b) are tens of thousands of years old, typically going back to the Mesolithic or Paleolithic period. The main clades within a haplogroup often match large ethnico-linguistic groups, which are usually displayed with a defining SNP (e.g. E-V13, G2a-L497, J1-P58, R1a-M458, R1b-U106). These main clades were for the most part formed during the Neolithic or Bronze Age. Deep clades, also shown with a defining SNP (e.g. I1-L1302, I2a2a-Z78, J1-ZS227, N1c-M2783, R1b-M222), represent younger lineages, which arose during the Iron Age, Middle Ages or later. The deeper the subclade the more recent the shared ancestor. Classifying SNP's into a genealogical order is known as phylogenentics.
https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phylog ... troduction
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... -DNA.shtml
Για καν' το μας πενηνταράκια. E-V22 is found primarily in western Ethiopia, northern Egypt and in the southern Levant. In Europe it is therefore associated with the Phoenicians and the Jews. The Phoenicians could have disseminated E-V22 to Sicily, Sardinia, southern Spain and the Maghreb, and the Jews to Greece and mainland Italy and Spain.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... -DNA.shtml
The spread of E-V22 descendants reaches a wide span. It’s like a T zone.
Vertical: Egypt and the Southern Levant in the centre and Southwards to Horn of Africa. This is the oldest spread with the highest percentages up to 88% of the Saho in Eritrea.
Horizontal: From Portugal in the west till Pakistan in the East, modest or low percentages around 5% (but mostly beneath).
In the Levant E-V22 split up. Some took the way to the right into the Arabic Peninsula. Others took the way to the left and went into the Mediterranean. It’s quite striking that the spread to the Mediterranean and to the Gulf was by seafaring people. The spread in both regions is especially in areas around the sea and islands.
Image of Neolithic ship in the Gulf:
For the Mediterranean area I see a similar development. Paschou (2014) stated that a“maritime coastal route was mainly used for the migration of Neolithic farmers to Europe”. In other words, there was a certain kind of island and coastal hopping of Neolithic colonist.
