Η κάθοδος των Σλάβων

[Λαχουρένιος]

Μην συνδεετε το ελ προτεκτορατο με την λαμπροτερη αυτοκρατορια ολων των εποχων

[Adminović]

Ας επανέλθουμε στο θέμα μας.

Στην επιτομή του Στράβωνα, από άγνωστο συγγραφέα το 10^ο αιώνα , διαβάζουμε τα εξής:

"Καὶ νῦν δὲ πᾶσαν Ἤπειρον καὶ Ἑλλάδα σχεδὸν καὶ Πελοπόννησον καὶ Μακεδονίαν Σκύθαι Σκλάβοι νέμονται"


Σημειώνει ότι στις μέρες του οι Σλάβοι ονόμαζαν το Αχαϊκό Ρήγιον Βελβίσκον (Βελβίτσι) και την Χαλκίδα στην απέναντι όχθη του Κορινθιακού Βαράσαβα (Βαράσοβα):

"Περὶ Πατρῶν τῆς Πελοποννήσου πόλεως περὶ τὸ Ἀχαϊκὸν Ῥήγιον, ὁ νῦν Βελβίσκον Σκλαβινοί καλοῦσιν … Χαλκίδα δὲ τὴν ἀρτίως Βαράσαβαν.."

[Διάδοχος]

Σλάβοι = Νέοι Δωριείς

[Adminović]

Σλάβοι = Νέοι Δωριείς

Την ίδια ακριβώς πορεία έχουν ακολουθήσει με τους αρχαίους Δωριείς. Επίσης, είναι γενικά ψηλοι και ανοιχτόχρωμοι, όπως οι αρχαίοι Δωριείς.

[Λαχουρένιος]

[Διάδοχος]

Τι θα γίνει με αυτούς τους Σλάβους;;

Thomas the Slav (c. 760 – October 823 AD) was a 9th-century Byzantine military commander, most notable for leading a wide-scale revolt in 821–23 against Emperor Michael II the Amorian (ruled 820–29).

An army officer of Slavic origin from the Pontus region (now north-eastern Turkey), Thomas rose to prominence, along with the future emperors Michael II and Leo V the Armenian (r. 813–820), under the protection of general Bardanes Tourkos.

Βλαδιμιρόφσκι, μπας και είσαι Σλάβος και όχι ΕΛ Πόντιος;

(οι αυτοκράτορες είχαν μετακινήσει μερικούς στην Ανατολή, θα επανέλθω επί του θέματος)


Υ.Γ.
(σ.σ. Aρμένης (κατά κάποιες πηγές, Σύρος) αυτοκράτορας με πρωτοπαλίκαρα έναν Σλάβο και έναν Τούρκο)

[Λαχουρένιος]

Σλαβος στρατηγος?Μα ελληνικος δεν ηταν ο βυζαντινος στρατος?

[Διάδοχος]

Eδώ σε έχω Άδμιν, Belgrade Historical Review για τις εγκαταστάσεις ΣΛάβων στην Μ. Ασία απο τον Ιουστινιανό Β, πέσε με τα μούτρα

http://www.academia.edu/10370207/Settle ... ordoserbon


Γενικά:

Asia Minor Slavs refers to the historical South Slav communities relocated to Anatolia by the Byzantine Empire, from the Balkans. After Maurice's Balkan campaigns (582-602), and subsequent subduing of Slavs in the Balkans during the 7th and 8th centuries, large communities were forcefully relocated to Asia Minor as military, fighting the Umayyad Caliphate.

7th century
The earliest evidence for a relocation of Slavs from the Balkans may be a seal dated to 650. In 658 and 688/9 the Byzantines invited groups of Slavic settlers to Bithynia. Constans II settled captured Slavs in Asia Minor, and 5,000 of these joined Abdulreman ibn Khalid in 664-665.

There was a town in Bithynia known as Gordoservon, mentioned in 680–81, whose name is derived from the Serbs resettled there from the areas "around river Vardar" by Byzantine Emperor Constans II (r. 641–668), in the mid-7th century (in ca. 649 or 667). The bishop of Gordoservon, an Isidor, is also mentioned; the fact that this town was an episcopal seat gives ground to the thesis that it had a large Serbian population. Around the year 1200 this city is mentioned as 'Servochoria' (Serbian habitation).

Justinian II (685-695) also settled as many as 30,000 Slavs from Thrace in Asia Minor, in an attempt to boost military strength. Most of them however, with their leader Neboulos, deserted to the Arabs at the Battle of Sebastopolis in 692.

8th century
Military campaigns in northern Greece in 758 under Constantine V (r. 741–775) prompted a relocation of Slavs under Bulgar aggression, again in 783. The Bulgar expansion caused massive Slav migrations, and in 762, more than 200,000 people fled to Byzantine territory and were relocated to Asia Minor.
The most prominent among the Asia Minor Slavs was Thomas the Slav, a military commander who raised most of the empire in an unsuccessful revolt against Michael II the Amorian in the early 820s.

10th century
The Slavs of the Opsician Theme (Sklabesianoi) are still attested as a separate group in the 10th century, serving as marines in the Byzantine navy.

12th century
The Serbs rose up against the Byzantines in 1127–29, probably with Hungarian support; After the Byzantine victory, part of the Serb population was deported to Asia Minor.

[Διάδοχος]

Άσχετο με Σλάβους, αλλά σχετικό το υπόστρωμα της Μ. Ασίας:

Ancient Galatia is located in the central regions of modern-day Turkey, a poor land traditionally inhabited by the Phyrgians. Later this land was controlled and inhabited by Celtic tribes some time in the 270's BCE Celtic tribes in Thrace and elsewhere were invited by Nicomedes I of Bithynia to come over into Anatolia to serve as warriors and mercenaries. The term 'Galatae' was used by the Greeks to denote these Celtic tribes.







All this came to an end during the 'elephant battle' against the Seleucids. The Galatians were defeated and settled down in central Asia Minor where they would continue to periodically launch raids and campaigns into he surrounding lands. The three main tribes of Galatia were the Trocmi, Tolistoboii, and the Tectosages. The Trocmi had as their capitol the town of Tavium, but also Mithridatum, Eccobriga, and Danala. The Tectosages ruled from Ankyra. They also had a settlement known as Pitobriga and they renamed the town of Gordium to Vindia, a place where they had a large market of trading goods. The Tolistoboii were centered around Blucium, later a fortress of King Deiotarus, and also Peium, an oppida where Deiotarus kept his massive treasury. Pessinus would later become the capitol of the Tolistoboii by 25 BCE during Roman annexation. The Teutobodiaci were a clan or sept within the Tectosages and the tribes of the Voturi, Ambituti, and Tosiopes were clans of the Tolistoboii.

Though little is known of the Galatians through discoveries in archaeology, the government of Galatia is known. Each tribe was split into four clans, each ruled by a tetrarch (from the Greek word tetra- meaning 'four' and arkos meaning 'chief'). These rulers were in turn supported by a chief judge, a leading general, and two deputy generals. This system held for a long time in Galatia, yet later the tetrarchs seem to have became petty kings. 300 senators held a national assembly that is thought to have been held at Drunemeton ('sacred oak sanctuary'). Despite all this the Galatians often fought among themselves and established no unified kingdom, although Ortagion, by forging alliances in the region, certainly came close to doing so. There is no mention of major problems living among the local Phyrgians nor mention of uprisings while the Galatians were away on campaign. in fact classical writers allude to their intermarrying with them.

The Galatians also adopted many aspects of Greek culture. These Celts were later known as Gallogracians, those who had Phyrgian, Greek, or other local influences in their blood and or lifestyle. Livy, quoting Manlius Vulso who defeated the Galatians in two battles in 189 BCE mentioned "that some of these Gauls (Galatians) are a mixed race, truly described by their name Gallogracians." This evidence is further backed up by the inscriptions at Delphi mentioning that among the Galatians were freed slaves of areas that they had swept through. Despite this, the Galatians were known to deal in slaves.

http://www.ancient.eu/galatia/

Και μιλάμε για πολεμιστές, δλδ απο 10+ παιδιά ο καθένας.


Κανονικά θα έπρεπε να ανοιχτεί ειδικό νήμα-παρατηρητήριο με όλες τις μεταναστεύσεις στον ευρύτερο ελλαδικό χώρο

[Adminović]

Κάνε αν θες ξεχωριστό νήμα, εδώ εστιάζουμε σε σλάβικους πληθυσμούς.